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= [[SemanticWiki]] mini-series Session-4 - Thu 22-Jan-2009 =

* Mini-series Title: '''Semantic Wikis: The Wiki Way to the Semantic Web'''

* Session-4 Topic: '''Semantic Wiki Applications & Use Cases (1): vertical applications'''

* Session Chair: '''Mr. MikeDean''' (BBN) & '''Mr. PeterYim''' (CIM3; Ontolog) - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/SemanticWiki-session-4_Applications-1--MikeDean-PeterYim_20090122.pdf slides] ]

* '''Panelists:'''
** '''Mr. [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]] / Dr. GuoqianJiang''' (Mayo Clinic - 3 talks); '''Dr. JieBao''' (RPI/TWC); '''Mr. ChristophLange''' (Jacobs University)

* '''Panel Presentations:'''
** (1) '''Mr. HaroldSolbrig''' - '''"<nowiki>LexWiki</nowiki> - a common model for importing, rendering and proposing revisions to ontology resources in the [[SemanticMediaWiki]]"''' - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/LexWiki--HaroldSolbrig_20090122.pdf slides] ]
** (2) '''Mr. HaroldSolbrig''' - '''"<nowiki>[[BiomedGT]]</nowiki> - <nowiki>LexWiki</nowiki>, [[SemanticMediaWiki]] and the Biomedical Grid Terminology"''' - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/BiomedGT--HaroldSolbrig_20090122.pdf slides] ]
** (3) '''Dr. GuoqianJiang''' - '''"WHO ICD11 Wiki - <nowiki>LexWiki</nowiki>, [[SemanticMediaWiki]] and the International Classification of Diseases"''' - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/LexWiki-ICD--GuoqianJiang_20090122.pdf slides] ]
** (4) '''Dr. JieBao''' - '''"Mesh-up Map and Events on Semantic http://c2.com/cgi/wiki? Applications in e-Science and Campus Information System"''' - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/RPI-Map--JieBao-ZhengJinGuang-RuiHuang-LiDing_20090119.pdf slides] ]
** (5) '''Mr. ChristophLange''' - '''"Semantic Wikis for Mathematics -- a State-of-the-Art Survey"''' - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/SemanticWikis-for-Math--ChristophLange_20090122.pdf slides] ]

* '''Lightning Talks:''' - [ Please note that: in order for the community to be exposed to the full range of technologies, an IPR policy waiver is applicable to this segment of the program. Therefore, technologies presented in these "Lightning Talks" do not necessarily fall into the "free and open" technology category. The presentation materials (slides, recording of the talks), however, are still licensed by all these speakers as open content, and [[WikiHomePage|our IPR Policy]] still applies in that regard. =ppy ]
** These are 1-slide, 3-min (max) talks open to anyone who has something relevant to present. ''To get a slot please email your talk title, a one-paragraph abstract, and your slide to <peter.yim@cim3.com>.'' Titles and Slides has to be received by end-of-day Wed 21-Jan-2009 to be scheduled in.
** (L1) '''Mr. DanielHansch''' (ontoprise) - "SMW+ 1.4 - shrink wrap semantic wiki product for collaborative project management" - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/SMW-plus_ver-1-4_for-Project-teams--DanielHansch_20090122.pdf slides] ]
** (L2) '''Professor KeiCheung''' (Yale) - "Wiki Neuron: A [[SemanticMediaWiki]] Prototype in Neuroscience" - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/WikiNeuron--KeiCheung_20090122.pdf slides] ]

* '''Resources''':
** '''Slides:'''
*** '''Panelists' presentations: . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/SemanticWiki-session-4_Applications-1--MikeDean-PeterYim_20090122.pdf 0-Chair] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/LexWiki--HaroldSolbrig_20090122.pdf 1-Solbrig] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/BiomedGT--HaroldSolbrig_20090122.pdf 2-Solbrig] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/LexWiki-ICD--GuoqianJiang_20090122.pdf 3-Jiang] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/RPI-Map--JieBao-ZhengJinGuang-RuiHuang-LiDing_20090119.pdf 4-Bao] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/SemanticWikis-for-Math--ChristophLange_20090122.pdf 5-Lange] ]'''
*** '''Lightning Talks: . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/SMW-plus_ver-1-4_for-Project-teams--DanielHansch_20090122.pdf L1-Hansch] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/WikiNeuron--KeiCheung_20090122.pdf L2-Cheung] ]'''
** '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/SemanticWiki_session-04_Applications-1_20090122.mp3 Audio Recording of the session]''' (mp3)
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== Attendees ==

* Attended:
** [[MikeDean|Mike Dean]]
** [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]
** [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]
** [[GuoqianJiang|Guoqian Jiang]]
** [[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]
** [[JieBao|Jie Bao]]
** [[DanielHansch|Daniel Hansch]]
** [[KeiCheung|Kei Cheung]]
** [[KurtConrad|Kurt Conrad]]
** TobiasKuhn
** [[MikeAxelrod|Mike Axelrod]]
** [[MarcoNeumann|Marco Neumann]]
** [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]
** [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]
** Ted Kitzmiller (Boeing)
** [[PhilippZaltenbach|Philipp Zaltenbach]]
** John Thompson (Boeing)
** [[DougHolmes|Doug Holmes]]
** [[RobFrost|Rob Frost]]
** [[BruceBray|Bruce Bray]]
** Chris Mitchell
** Rick Kiefer
** Jason Zou
** [[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]
** [[JohnMcClure]]
** [[SusanTurnbull|Susan Turnbull]]

* Expecting:
** [[LiDing|Li Ding]]
** [[MarcWine|Marc Wine]]
** [[OthelRolle|Othel Rolle]]
** [[ElgarPichler|Elgar Pichler]]
*
** ... ''if you are coming to the session, please add your name above (plus your affiliation, if you aren't already a member of the community) above; or e-mail <peter.yim@cim3.com> so that we can reserve enough resources to support everyone's participation.'' ...

* Regrets:
** [[EdDodds|Ed Dodds]]
** DoraiThodla

== [[SemanticWiki]] mini-series Background ==

The Semantic Wiki mini-series a 6-month mini-series comprising Talks, Panel Discussions and Online Discourse. The series is co-organized by FZI Karlsruhe, Mayo Clinic, Ontolog, RPI Tetherless World Constellation and Salzburg Research, Austria. This represents a collaborative effort between members from academia, research, software engineering, semantic web and ontology communities. The 6-month mini-series intends to bring together developers, administrators and users of semantic wikis, and provide a platform where they can conveniently share ideas and insights. Through a series of (mainly virtual) talks, panel discussions, online discourse and even face-to-face meetings, participants will survey the state-of-the-art in semantic wiki technology and get exposure to exemplary use cases and applications. Together, they will study trends, challenges and the outlook for semantic wikis, and explore opportunities for collaboration in the very promising technology, approach or philosophy which people has labeled "semantic wiki."

This series of virtual events will dovetail into the face-to-face workshop: "Social Semantic Web: Where Web 2.0 Meets Web 3.0" at the AAAI Spring Symposium (March 23-25, 2009 at Stanford, California, USA - see: http://tw.rpi.edu/sss09 ).

See: our [[SemanticWiki]] [[SemanticWiki|mini-series homepage]] and the [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SemanticWiki/Prep#nid1NQA developing program] for the rest of the series.

== Agenda & Proceedings ==

* '''Session Format:''' this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call.

* '''Agenda:'''
** 1. Opening by the Session Chair
** 2. we'll go around with a self-introduction of participants - we may skip this if we have more than 25 participants (in which case, it will be best if members try to update their namesake pages on this wiki prior to the call so that everyone can get to know who's who more easily.) (All - total: ~15 minutes)
** 3. Panelists' Presentations - (15 min. max. each)
** 4. Lightning Talks - (3 min. max. each)
** 5. Q&A and Open Discussion - ALL (~20 min.)
** 6. Summary / Announcement / Conclusion - session chair

== Session Abstract: Semantic Wiki Applications & Use Cases (1): vertical applications ==

''by [[MikeDean|Mike Dean]] & PeterYim''

: Semantic wikis have grown beyond their initial use as community-developed web sites to support full applications, often as web portals. Today's session will focus on "vertical" applications specific to a given domain, while Session 5 will focus on "horizontal" applications that are more domain neutral.

: The purpose of this session is to showcase some of the domain specific applications that utilize semantic wikis. Our panelists will be presenting applications in the Biomedical Informatics, Healthcare, Mapping and Mathematics domains.

* '''Mr. [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]] / Dr. GuoqianJiang''' (Mayo Clinic)
** Talk-1 (15 min.) "<nowiki>LexWiki</nowiki> - a common model for importing, rendering and proposing revisions to ontology resources in the [[SemanticMediaWiki]]"
*** Abstract: We describe why we need a common model of terminological resources in the [[SemanticMediaWiki]]. We then briefly describe [[LexGrid]], a model that has been developed to span the terminology / thesaurus / ontology boundaries and how we have implemented it in the [[SemanticMediaWiki]] environment.
** Talk-2 (15 min.) "<nowiki>[[BiomedGT]] - LexWiki</nowiki>, [[SemanticMediaWiki]] and the Biomedical Grid Terminology"
*** Abstract: This presentation describes how the [[SemanticMediaWiki]] and the <nowiki>LexWiki</nowiki> toolkit are being used in the workflow and curation of the Biomedical Grid Terminology (<nowiki>[[BiomedGT]]</nowiki>).
** Talk-3 (15 min.) "WHO ICD11 Wiki - <nowiki>LexWiki</nowiki>, [[SemanticMediaWiki]] and the International Classification of Diseases"
*** Abstract: This presentation describes how the <nowiki>LexWiki</nowiki> based on [[SemanticMediaWiki]] is being used for both browsing and authoring support in a World Health Organization (WHO) International Classification of Diseases (ICD) revision project.

* '''Dr. [[JieBao|Jie Bao]] / Jin Guang Zheng / Rui Huang / Dr. LiDing''' (RPI/TWC)
** Talk-4 (15 min.) "Mesh-up Map and Events on Semantic http://c2.com/cgi/wiki? Applications in e-Science and Campus Information System"
*** Abstract: In this talk we share our experience on integrating events and geographical information using the [[SemanticMediaWiki]] platform. The <nowiki>TetherlessMap</nowiki> extension is used to present geographical information generated by semantic query. Two applications of the extension will be introduced: 1) the RPI Map project, which displays a
map and lists of integrated campus-based information, e.g., building, events, course and people; 2) the VSTO Map project, which display a map of scientific instruments, e.g. observatory locations and real-time satellite positions.
** see Tetherless Map extension at: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tetherless_Map

* '''ChristophLange''' (Jacobs University)
** Talk-5 (15 min.) "Semantic Wikis for Mathematics -- a State-of-the-Art Survey"
*** Abstract: Modern mathematical research is supported by computers in many ways, but there
is still a lack of support for (web) collaboration on mathematical knowledge.
In this talk, I present a short survey on (more or less) semantic wikis for
managing mathematical knowledge. The challenge of agility vs. formal
correctness will be of special interest. The talk concludes with an outlook
into (inter)active mathematical documents and integrating them with my
mathematical semantic wiki SWiM.

* Lighting Talks, 3 minutes each
** '''Mr. DanielHansch''' (ontoprise) - "SMW+ 1.4 - shrink wrap semantic wiki product for collaborative project management"
** '''Professor KeiCheung''' (Yale) - "Wiki Neuron: A [[SemanticMediaWiki]] Prototype in Neuroscience"
*** Abstract: There have been an increasing number of Bio-Wiki projects including Gene Wiki, <nowiki>WikiProteins, WikiPathways</nowiki>, Proteopedia, SNPedia, etc. To expand the Wiki frontier in life sciences, we have created a collaborative and semantically enabled Wiki prototype for the neuroscience domain, which is called "Wiki Neuron" (http://neuroweb3.med.yale.edu/mediawiki/index.php/WikiNeuron). This prototype allows us to explore the benefits of semantic wiki technologies in collective and collaborative neuroscience knowledge acquisition, annotation, and integration. We plan to transform the prototype into a collaboratory by working with the Neuroscience Information Framework (http://nif.nih.gov/) that aims at enhancing neuroscience research by enabling discovery and access to research data and tools.

=== Questions and Discussion captured from the chat session ===

''Edited transcript ...''

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Welcome to the [[SemanticWiki]] mini-series Session-4 - Thu 22-Jan-2009

* Mini-series Title: Semantic Wikis: The Wiki Way to the Semantic Web

* Session-4 Topic: Semantic Wiki Applications & Use Cases (1): vertical applications

* Session Chair: Mr. [[MikeDean|Mike Dean]] (BBN) & Mr. [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (CIM3; Ontolog)

* Panelists: Mr. [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]] / Dr. [[GuoqianJiang|Guoqian Jiang]] (Mayo Clinic); Dr. [[JieBao|Jie Bao]] / Dr. [[LiDing|Li Ding]] (RPI/TWC); Mr. [[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]] (Jacobs University)

VNC2: Please remember to change your name (via "Settings") to your WikiWord name for proper identification and attribution. Thanks.

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: "grid" (in LexGrid) is not related to "grid computing" here, is it?

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @ChristophLange re. "LexGrid" ... the answer is no ... see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LexGrid

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: @PeterYim: thanks!

[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: [[LexGrid]] was created to enable a distributed "grid" of terminology resources. It is used as a grid node in the

caBIG project, but it isn't a "grid computing" resource in the classic sense. ... btw, it was originally built using LDAP.

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: Maybe it's worth talking about your workflow-functionality needs on the SMW users mailing list.

[[PhilippZaltenbach|Philipp Zaltenbach]]: Harold: how do you use the SKOS elements within SMW? Do you integrate them with semantic forms or do you let the people

freely annotate article contents with SKOS properties?

[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: Where appropriate, we map the [[LexWiki]] to SKOS - the RDF rendering for "comment" is the SKOS equivalent, so it comes out "SKOS".

[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: We are looking forward to the new SKOS release, as it provides better alignment with other resources (DC and OWL)

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: Are you using the "Equivalent URI" property?

[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: Yes, although more in the RDF/SKOS/OWL rendering.

[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: We also need to revise the RDF dump. We're stuck on an old version because the Protege importer is fixed

(this is [[BiomedGT]], btw. ICD11 has more flexibility)

[[PhilippZaltenbach|Philipp Zaltenbach]]: ic, we plan to directly integrate some core elements of SKOS within our next Halo release, in order

to allow people to create and maintain terminologies / thesauri

[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: That covers a portion of the space...

[[JieBao|Jie Bao]]: [note: missed putting this into the slides] Tetherless Map extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tetherless_Map

Jason Zou: Having core elements of SKOS integrate into wiki will save me a lot of work. I am looking forward to the new release of Halo.

[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: http://wiktolog.com/agrowiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: These pages are a bit dated - I keep meaning to get a more recent update...

[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: ... posted. We've revised it internally.

[[PhilippZaltenbach|Philipp Zaltenbach]]: thx for the link. i think the plan for the next release of halo is scheduled at the beginning of march.

[[GuoqianJiang|Guoqian Jiang]]: good to know. is that rule extension incorporated?

[[GuoqianJiang|Guoqian Jiang]]: I mean the simple rule extension introduced in last ontolog session

[[PhilippZaltenbach|Philipp Zaltenbach]]: yeah, i know what you mean. unfortunately not, since we have not the resources at the moment to develop it further.

[[GuoqianJiang|Guoqian Jiang]]: I see, thanks

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @ChristophLange - on your slide#12 what do parentheses (like "(y) or "(n)") denote? ... as opposed to a normal "y" or "n"

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: @PeterYim: (y) roughly means "yes, but...", consider e.g. metadata in SlugMath: as it is SMW, it _would_ support metadata,

but it doesn't have any particular metadata vocabulary installed

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: (n) -- e.g. verification in [[SWiM]]: the knowledge representation (the OMDoc language) would permit it (with converters

from/to theorem proving languages existing), but the wiki does not yet expose this on the user interface

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: and by y/n i meant "yes in some regard, but no in others", e.g. semantic formulae in <nowiki>ASciencePad</nowiki>:

mostly you enter formulas by their appearance and the system does not understand them, but if you draw a graph or

compute something, the system does interpret a formula

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: If we order now, will you throw in a free set of knives?

[[MikeAxelrod|Mike Axelrod]]: lol

[[KeiCheung|Kei Cheung]]: [note: missed putting this into the slide] http://neuroweb3.med.yale.edu/mediawiki/index.php/WikiNeuron

[[DanielHansch|Daniel Hansch]]: My credits go to Mike Axelrod who has built SMW+ 1.4's project management ontology. Thanks Mike! Great work!!

[[MikeAxelrod|Mike Axelrod]]: Thank you Daniel

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: WikiNeuron - cool.

[[KeiCheung|Kei Cheung]]: thanks!

[[KeiCheung|Kei Cheung]]: I'm using some of your extensions.

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: When will it be released? I didn't hear, if you said it.

[[KeiCheung|Kei Cheung]]: it's still ongoing and I'll keep you and others posted. Also, I'd like to interact with you and others in terms of

expanding it if it's OK with you ...

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: Sure.

[[KeiCheung|Kei Cheung]]: great!

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: Also, feel free to write the SMW and SF mailing lists.

[[KeiCheung|Kei Cheung]]: will do.

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: Announcement: call for papers for the 4th semantic wiki workshop (Crete, Greece, 31 May) is out: http://semwiki.org

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: John - are you asking about SMW, or in general?

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: (How do you unmute?)

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: [ *2 ]

[[DanielHansch|Daniel Hansch]]: by all together. thx for the interesting presentations.

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: generally, talking about external (= non-wiki) resources in a sem. wiki is interesting IMHO

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: @[[JohnMcClure]]: [ ref. your question about work on attaching documents to a semantic wiki and drawing semantics from the

attached documents; essentially any work in the structural aspects within a semantic wiki to accomodate attached documents ]

you mean standoff markup, i.e. pointers from the wiki into the docs?

[[JohnMcClure]]: Christoph, yes standoff markup

[[JohnMcClure]]: I would like to see wikis used for medical records mngmnet, and it would need to have standoff to be effective... thanks

Chris Mitchell: This solution seems quite like the solution XWiki users are using... they can use the new Office Importer

(http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise18M1) to help facilitate population

of the wiki and there is the ability to produce semantic functionality in the manner most recently described

- I hope to research this further (example: linuxpedia.org)

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: What's standoff?

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: annotation that is not embedded right into the document to be marked up

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: but that points there from outside

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: i.e. stands off/aside the doc

[[JohnMcClure]]: basically source information for a Statement

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: Ah, okay - I didn't know it had a name.

[[JohnMcClure]]: probably should use XPointer for xml docs

[[JohnMcClure]]: last question from me ... is there the feeling that a Statement = Wikipage ?

[[YaronKoren|Yaron Koren]]: Yeah, but I would think XML documents aren't in need of as much annotation as free-form text or image documents.

[[JohnMcClure]]: agreed, but I am concerned that that is the wrong model... a Wikipage contains many Statements, but the problem

is that a Statement then is hard to annotate itself

[[JohnMcClure]]: thanks Yaron I need to go now, and review all that I missed!

[[JohnMcClure]]: bye

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: Peter and others: thank you too!

[[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Thanks all - interesting stuff.

[[GuoqianJiang|Guoqian Jiang]]: Thank you all

[[KeiCheung|Kei Cheung]]: Thanks and bye!

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Thank you, everyone, for another wonderful session! ... bye

[[MikeAxelrod|Mike Axelrod]]: Thanks all! bye

[[ChristophLange|Christoph Lange]]: bye all

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Look out for the upcoming Ontolog session (5-Feb-2009) on Pattern-based Ontology Design. The team from

Institute for Cognitive Sciences and Technology (Rome, Italy) working on that actually runs

an ODP (Ontology Design Pattern) semantic wiki too!

== Audio Recording of this Session ==

* To download the [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/SemanticWiki_session-04_Applications-1_20090122.mp3 audio recording of the session], click '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-04_Application-1_20090122/SemanticWiki_session-04_Applications-1_20090122.mp3 here]'''
** the playback of the audio files require the proper setup, and an MP3 compatible player on your computer.
* Conference Date and Time: 22-Jan-2009 10:44am~12:40pm PST
* Duration of Recording: 1 Hour 40 Minutes
* Recording File Size: 11.5 MB (in mp3 format)

* suggestions:
** its best that you listen to the session while having the respective [[ConferenceCall_2009_01_22|presentations]] opened in front of you. You'll be prompted to advance slides by the speaker.
** Take a look, also, at the rich body of knowledge that this community has built together, over the years, by going through the [[WikiHomePage|archives of noteworthy past Ontolog events.]] (References on how to subscribe to our podcast can also be found there.)

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== How To Join (while the session is in progress) ==

* '''1.''' Dial in with a phone: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_01_22#nid1RZ8
* '''2.''' Open chat in a new browser window: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20090122
* '''3.''' Download presentations for each speaker here: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_01_22#nid1S18
** or, 3.1 Open VNC session in a new browser window: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_01_22#nid1RZM

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